Wednesday, June 2, 2010

What’s wrong with SFLOI?

I don’t come to SFLOI every week to break records, nor could I if I wanted to. I come to have a good time and to try to hit the softball as hard as I can. Sometimes it doesn’t have much of a result, and sometimes it has the greatest. Either way, it should be fun, and mostly I try to have a good time. However, SFLOI has become increasingly a tougher place to do just that.

When I started here, almost two years ago, it seemed a lot looser; sure there were incidents here and there, but it seemed rather cool. Of course, maybe this was because I started in the fall season. Going into last summer, I could tell the heat heated up competition as well, but that all seemed fine as well. One incident that first raised my eyebrow, though, was a benching of Glen Lawrence that seemed not the right thing to do. That led to a bit of controversy that then led to the 2-inning sitting rule, which in itself is a terrible cop-out which insures that most “good” players stay in.

So, that said, we come to this Monday’s game where I sat an inning in Game One and then was asked to do so again in at the end of Game Two when there were a few players that had not sat at all. Now, let’s get a couple of things straight, 1. I will never say I am a good fielder, but I’m not terrible as well. I’m one of the mid-of-the-road players. 2. Being one of the team managers of my company’s team I also understand having to sit players. However, there lies the major difference and where all the disagreements stem.

See, I play in a league where TEAM victories count. Everyone on our team understands this, and everyone is OK with the tough decisions that need to be made by me and the other manager. Heck, I rotate myself in and out all the time. Whatever contributes to the team winning, I’m into. I understand this.

SFLOI, though, is nothing like the league I am in. SFLOI is a pick-up league where the stats are gods, and there are no real team concepts. You are my teammate and opponent, maybe on the same day, and all that matters is how we do in that game. At the end of the day, if you lost two, but went 8-8, you may act sad, but we all know you’re damn happy with yourself. The “pennant” really doesn’t mean much, other than being another stat.

So, I argue and disagree with the notions presented by Havelock in the prior post, and also by Ian in the comments. Winning a ballgame should never get ahead of doing the right thing in this league. There should never be a player that has paid his/her dues that sits more than someone else. No one should be exempt from sitting, no matter how good they are. Ever! Surely not in this league. Not in a league where team wins don’t mean anything to anyone but the pitcher (more on that in a bit). After all, this is Softball for the Love of it, not Softball Winning at all Costs.

And that’s the basis of my whole post really. SFLOI is getting away from what I thought it was: a fun pick-up league. I shouldn’t walk away with contempt for anyone. Guys like Joe Gerber and others who yell at their teammates need to step back and look at what they are doing. We’ve had numerous injuries in the past year, and one of ours even had a heart-attack. In light of those occurrences is softball that important; why has this game become increasingly more serious?

Which brings me to my next question that stems from all of this seriousness, why is it that certain pitchers are fast pitching or quick pitching? Certainly I’m not the only one that has noticed that the velocity in this league is going up, am I? If I wanted to join a fast pitch league, I would. Yet more and more, I have to deal with looking out for an errant pitch, which I’m sorry control issues are increasing with the velocity, or swinging out of whack and pulling some muscle just to try to catch up. Honestly, it’s becoming harder to just enjoy coming to the plate. Related: On Monday, Ian Lebowitz did everything to turn defensively on a Derek Martinez fast pitch and ended up smacking Ian’s girlfriend with a foul ball. Would he have hit it like that if it weren’t coming in as fast, I don’t know, but it seemed like there were many hard hit fouls balls when Ian and Derek and sometimes Havelock pitched.

So let me tie this all up with a bow, because I think there is a root to these issues, and that being that the pitchers are the players who care the most about winning said game. Their records are the ones most affected, and to this I cannot argue. But what I can argue is that the pitchers, or someone that usually pitches, are usually also the team captains, and this is leading to a more dangerous and unfair game. Certainly not one that sounds like it should be played under the acronym of SFLOI.

I’ve always said pick-up softball is about the hitters, and I think our pitchers need to loosen up their pants, and realize losing isn’t the end of the world. I challenge our fast pitchers to turn it down and be crafty like Dave Rosengard or Jim O’Connor. These guys don’t need speed to win, as witnessed this past Sunday by Dave. I know the three gents I’ve mentioned in this post can pitch well even without it, so I’d like to see them try. Let’s see what you got. I also challenge Havelock to give the captains chair to players who do not pitch at all. Let them make the decisions. But I also tell them to be fair to everyone. I honestly think that would be the case anyway.

I love being a part of the fabric of this league. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t have contributed this website, and everything else I’ve tried to do for it. I wouldn’t have spent the time to write this if not. I want to continue to be a part of this, too, but I want our players to have a good time, I want decisions made for the players to continue to have a good time. So please, Powers-that-be, step back and look at what’s been going on here, and make the right decisions going forward. This is not about an ego gone wild, this about Softball for the Love it. Remember that?

See you all in a couple of weeks.
--Sal

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

Sal, I disagree with several of your assumptions. This has never been a slow pitch league. There have been fast pitchers as long as I can remember (at least since last Tuesday). Fast does not always mean better, as you said, but we each play to the best of our ability.
Secondly, I agree that I want to have fun playing, but if Sommers is on my team, I want him at shortstop, not sitting. I don't have fun when my team makes 5 errors in an inning and we are out there for 20 minutes. I do agree that there should be some balance. I don't want to sit 3 innings while most of the team doesn't sit at all, but I can deal with 2.
That being said, I do agree with some of what you said. Intensity of effort is good, but intensity that manifests itself with screaming at the umpire or teammates is counterproductive and not what the league is about.

Joe Geller

Havelock Hewes said...

When Sal values our individual performances over winning games, I think he has his values upside down. The game doesn't make sense unless the goal is winning. I reject as almost comical the notion that pitchers should not use every tool they have to get hitters out. This does not mean that there aren't more important things than winning, such as compassion, sportsmanship and fairness. Sal's suggestion that no player sit out more than another has an appeal to me. My argument against it is that by putting a substitute player in at a crucial position - such as shortstop, centerfield or pitcher - a game could be decided by one man's incompetence. My feeling is that as long as everyone ins playing most of the game no one can really feel benched. However, if a majority of players want even-sitting i would go along with it. As for captaining, it is difficult to find players who want the responsibility. I'd rather not do it and I am very polite and thankful when Ian takes it on. If anyone wants to volunteer to captain the teams please tell me and I'll make your dream come true.

Sal Cipriano said...

Hi Joe,

I appreciate your input, and respect your opinion. I'm sure the league has always catered to all sorts of pitching styles, but I just feel like in the short time that I've been here everything has gotten too intense. The increased velocities just correlated to all the other points I made.

I also understand no one wants to be out there making errors or watch them be made, but anyone can make an error. Sure, there are better players than others, but on this field we should be all treated as equals. So, yeah, a better balance is indeed what needs to be called for.

Sal

Sal Cipriano said...

Hav,

I don't value personal performance over my team. That isn't what I'm saying, nor would I not give my all for my team to try to win. I'm just trying to make a point that team wins shouldn't be valued over fairness to your players.

The pitching notion of course you reject, you're a pitcher! I know that is a losing part of the arguement, but again all of my points are in tandem with one another.

I'm sure there are plenty of folks that would want to run a team. Ask around on Sunday.

Sal

The Stats Lab said...

Let's start with the pitching comment. I'm naturally not receptive to the idea that I throw too hard. I will concede it is tough on my catchers, who have to contend with low fastballs and hard foul tips. I don't believe Derek's pitching caused Mart to get hit by a foul ball. She wasn't watching, and Lebowitz was WAY out in front and hit a frozen rope to a spot that I had been watching from just a half-inning before and I thought was safe. Lebowitz is known to pull the ball hard down the LF line, off of anyone.

My delivery is ASA compliant. I pitch weekdays for Dave Sommers in a highly competitive league, and SFLOI provides me with a place to get more innings and refine my technique. And I'm not unhittable. Neither is Derek, or Hav. Offense in SFLOI has in fact been trending upwards in recent seasons.

The essence of the game to me is a mano-a-mano between pitcher and hitter. The fielders enter into it, but only after the pitcher and hitter have made their moves. Ideally the rules favor neither one.

Now, this is the first time in this game that someone has told me I throw too hard. If that became a general consensus, I'd rather stop pitching than modify my style. My future in league competition is as a pitcher, unless someone really needs a slow right fielder with middling power. SFLOI is the only place where I can play shortstop (sort of) and bat in the middle of a batting order, and I'm probably just a few donuts away from losing that.

Sal, if you want to manage, you're welcome to it. I find it to be a double edged sword. I've tried to do my best to win games, delegate authority, and not piss too many people off, but it's hard to fulfill all three objectives at once. I can go back to being a hard-throwing grunt on someone else's team anytime... maybe... hopefully.

Sal Cipriano said...

Ian,

I knew this was a tricky subject because you are one of the pitchers and a friend, but I felt if I didn't say it now, I'd never mention it. And even if it does nothing to change anything, at least I've said my peace.

Last year seemed to be a record year, and quite possibly because of that everyone is trying to one-up each other this year. Derek, always a hard thrower, is throwing harder and becoming wilder, Havelock is quick-pitching everyone, and your velocity has indeed increased. Maybe your's in particular is because you pitch for Sommers' team, and it's just happening naturally as you get more into it.

Now, are you guys unhittable? Of course not. I hit better off of Derek this week than Dave! But my main point, on the pitching end, is that it feels like the game is becoming more dangerous than it was just a short while ago. Catching is not fun at all, there's a reason no one wants to do it. Last time I caught Derek, I came away with a few bruises, and vowed not to do it again. Havelock, with his new style quick-pitch, is terribly dangerous to try to catch, and nuisance to both the batter (I'm sure his point) and umpire. I was actually pissed off catching him for the inning or two that I did this weekend because he wouldn't wait for me to set up!

As for managing, me doing it wasn't the point really, but I would be a hypocrite if I wasn't one of the first to volunteer. I know it's totally tough to make everyone happy, but we all have to try. Because like you who likes to use the league to help train yourself, alot of us do the same, and some only come to swing the bat a little, but none of us can do that from the bench.

Sal

Havelock Hewes said...

Sal,
I agree with Ian that the contest between the pitcher and the hitter is at the heart of the game. I believe it is an illusion that the pitching has changed. I'm not throwing any harder than I used to and I've always tried to control the rhythm of the game by pitching as soon as the hitter is in the box. This is not a driving range. -Havelock

Sal Cipriano said...

Believe it or not, I also agree with Ian on the pitcher/batter relationship. I'm not contesting that, nor am I saying you should be lobbing it in for all to hit, Hav. It saddens me that instead of exploring my concerns, your first reaction was to question my values and call my points comical.

I'm not going to keep arguing about this, not against pitchers on the defense. It is not illusion. The intensity has gone up and you guys have adjusted for it, maybe just naturally.

My points, though, are about fairness and the dangers of the game. Valid points I believe, and I don't want them getting watered down. I'm not going to keep being a one-man crusade about this, however. If no one agrees with me, or just doesn't want to argue, that's fine. After Monday, though, I felt that this was the perfect time to address my concerns.

Proceed as you wish. I'll see you guys on the field next week to have fun and play softball.

-Sal

Bob Holzwasser said...

As a player and regular umpire, I like the fast pitch (because it is easier to tell if the ball crossed the plate at the required height) and Havlock-style quick pitch (it moves the game along and keeps the players on their toes). As an umpire it is up to us to make sure that the batter has enough time to get set before signaling the pitcher to fire away. It would also be up to us to throw a pitcher out for throwing at the batter on purpose or regularly by mistake. It is up to the catcher to protect the umpire some do a good job, some cannot. Charlie catching Derek is suicide for the ump. I don't mind a bit of arguing at the ump, we just need to get in position to make the call. If our vision is blocked, we need to ask for help from the batting team first, since that team supplies the umpires. If you are tagged, say so if asked.

Anonymous said...

im commenting on the how many innings should anyone have to sit discussion.

my recollection is that we used to do this on a rotation basis. you had ur outfielders and ur infielders and we all would take turns sitting. everyone sat the same. am i dreaming? u just would like volunteer. it's my turn. who ever heard of a manager needing to supervise this. how facist.

somewhere along the line "a player can't sit more than 3 innings rule" came into play. certain people decided to apply this rule literally. i have been on the wrong end of this rule and frankly was really annoyed. i won't name names. guess who.

i agree with everything sal says. but the real reason why we come on sundays isn't for the stats, or the wins, or the glory. we all come because we like to play. and if we decide to appy a rule equally - as in everyone has to sit one inning - then it becomes part of the game. i'm sure we can figure out a way to make it work. and if someone makes an error, guess what. we all do.

sorry to those of you who haven't volunteered to sit. you're one of us. it won't kill you.

Paul.

ian Lebowitz said...

For the record... I swung at that fast inside pitch out of anger. it was out of my hitting zone.
After ducking away from the first, few blazing erratic pitches, I resolved to swing at anything out of frustration. Even ball Four.

unfortunately, Ian's girlfriend took the brunt of my foul ball shot. so glad she was ok.

I don't mind fast pitching. I may even like the challenge...but if a pitcher is consistently wild and/or quick-pitching me, i have a problem with that.

My team won both games on Monday, but i did not celebrate or feel good about being there. Abnormal stress, questionable calls, yelling, tantrums...

Afterward, a group of us hung out for drinks and grub. A few laughs.. The good SFLOI vibe was restored.

so yes..., i like the stats, keep track of it and believe it creates a good competition among the players. But if the games aren't fun. Then fuhgeddaboudit.

ian L

Anonymous said...

I am always open to suggestions and Sal, I thank you for your comments and your increasing suggestions to improve this league. However, here are a few points that I have. You mentioned that my velocity has been increasing and I've been getting wilder. I don't agree, I have always been this wild.

Ian’s foul ball could have happened with any of the other pitchers. You said Dave does not throw with much velocity, however, I am sure that if Dave could increase his velocity, he would. You suggest decreasing the speed to see what we got, then I challenge you to bat lefty to see what you got. When you swing at the ball do you ease off when you’re hitting against Dave or Laura or myself? Or do you equally attempt to hit the ball as hard as you can? As pitchers, we are at the closest position from anyone else on the field and in direct line to getting hit with the ball as seen when Joe Gerber hit a hard line right to my face on Monday’s second game. Our defensive skills at times has to help us get out of the way from hard hitters like yourself, Phil, Carl, Ian, Chris, Brian, Freddy, Ian, Zach, Alex and a lot of others hitters. So increasing my velocity helps me sometimes with the time hitters have to react before they attempt to crush the ball back the other way. I will make a deal with you that if you bat lefty I will lob the pitch right into the catcher’s mitt. But unless you are pitching and facing the batters that we have in our league, slowing my velocity while the hitters try and crush the ball doesn’t sound good to me.

On your points of sitting, I agree, I offer to sit anytime someone else needs to be placed in the game. I actually sat for 4 innings on one of Sunday’s 3 games and I also want to win. Being a captain is not also an easy task. I thank Havelock and Ian for doing it as much as they do. I use to run my own team in previous years and I know it’s hard to keep 10 or 12 players happy. Who wants to bat ninth? No one would volunteer. Who wants to lead off, almost 80% would take on that task. This league has over the last few years gotten more and more competitive, however, our players over the same period have gotten younger, stronger, faster and with that brings a higher level of play.

See you on the field…
Derek