
I interviewed SFLOI founding father Tony Connor over a pitcher of beer at the Firehouse, on the night that LeBron James made his somewhat puzzling decision to join the Miami Heat, and immediately after Tony had defeated his arch-nemesis Havelock Hewes 7-6 in 11 innings on the Great Lawn. The conversations are re-constructed from my notes.
Tony began the interview by saying that he had invented the Tree Rule, which I suppose makes him the Carl Perkins of that rule, and Havelock is Tree Rule Elvis.
Tony described the formative years of SFLOI, which began with a single game he organized in 1982.
Bill McLaughlin: Who was there?
Tony: Lee Lowenfish, maybe... not Havelock...
Bill: So how did Havelock get involved?
Tony: I met him through Lee, who is a baseball author as well... Havelock had a TV show, New York City Baseball, on cable. He interviewed me, though I've never seen the tape. I was promoting my baseball book, "Baseball For the Love of It," doing interviews, book signings, that kind of thing. I invited Hav and Lee to join... a lot of the early players came from WBAI... you know WBAI?
Me: (vaguely) I've heard of it...
Tony: Well, on WBAI there was a show, "Home Fries," with Fred Hershkowitz and Lee... I played on the WBAI Turtles for one season, with Peter Bochan, Dave Metzger, Fred Hershkowitz, Rich Schraeder-- who would later be Mark Green's campaign manager, Milt Mankoff. We had a league of lefties, politically... The league was a lot more co-ed than it is now. We had a lot of players from Columbia University, where my wife was a grad student. She was a good player, as good as Sue Kostner.
Havelock: She was. Better maybe.
In the interests of accuracy, I should mention that the hitting stats do not back this up, though Havelock also said that Tony's wife Paula was a very good pitcher and fielder.
We got to discussing Tony's Little League coaching, which has brought such fine athletes as Zach Nilva, Alex Rivera, and Rob Anapol into SFLOI, and then, as the conversation sometimes will when a face is on every single TV screen in the bar, it turned to LeBron.
Bill: I don't see why athletes have to be role models.
Tony: A 12-year old kid doesn't see it that way. They're not like you; they're imitators by nature.
Me: And they see these athletes snorting coke and beating up hookers...
Tony: LeBron's different, of course.
Bill: When I was a kid, I wanted to be a giraffe.
So, I learned something I never knew about my cousin, and LeBron chose Miami, and the talk returned to softball.
Tony: I always kept stats. I think that's very important. Havelock expanded the statkeeping when he took it over in 1985, and Joe Gerber took it even further-- he's an accountant--
Bill: When did you start using a computer for the stats?
Tony: I don't know. In the early years I did them on a typewriter, later a word processor...
Havelock then tells a story about how his son Duncan got a pack of baseball cards in the mid-eighties and was disappointed that he didn't get a Joe Balento card.
Tony: There were several players who grew up with us. Carl Weinberg was 14 when he started playing, Joe Balento, my son Paul was 8.
Me: I've noticed some strange statistical seasons (Paul Connor had a season with one hit and 25 walks; Davey had a season with 5 hits and 26 walks). I guess SFLOI didn't have an Eddie Gaedel rule.
Tony (laughs): They played over the general objections of the league. Bobby Naranjo-- you've heard of him?-- in particular.
Me: Can we get back to your book for a moment? For example, I've read Marvin's baseball book, and it's rather abstract. Not your typical book about teams and players. What is yours like?
Tony: Well, I met with the majority of Hall of Famers still living at the time... I did two-hour interviews, 27 or so. I was still young enough to be in awe of them. I was 33 when I started the book, 36 when it came out... it was an incredible thrill, meeting Mickey Mantle, Yogi, Whitey Ford...
Me: What was the best interview of the bunch, and which one was the worst?
Tony: Eddie Matthews was probably the most interesting one... it wasn't exactly a good interview... we basically just got drunk together. He played in small markets his whole life-- Milwaukee, Atlanta... in New York he would have been a superstar with those 500 home runs. We had a long night of drinking and talking... but he was not very articulate. Stan Musial was a great interview. Another unrecognized player, because of where he played. He could do everything, even pitch. I interviewed him on a golf course. Nice guy. Musial said he knew what the pitcher was going to be pitching when he was in a good groove. He said he was psychically tuned in to read the pitcher's mind.
I asked if Tony had gotten to Ty Cobb, forgetting that Cobb died in 1961 and would have been close to a hundred years old had he lived.
Tony: We've got some serious students of oldtime baseball here. Marvin, Lee, Hav, Joe Balento too. You know Lawrence Ritter? He wrote "The Glory of Our Times," and he wrote the intro to my book. I had Roger Angell's assistant on my team one year. He (Angell) wrote some great stuff on baseball as well.
Me: Have you read any Bill James?
Tony: I met him once, at a SABR convention in 1982. He brought a different viewpoint to baseball writing-- more objective, analytical-- you've read him, I'll bet, and Seung, and Sal too...
Me: Yeah.
One of the recurring themes of the night was Tony's objection to my scoring all kinds of double plays in the DP category instead of just ground ball double plays.
Tony: Because hitting into a double play is a sign of bad hitting. It means you hit the ball right where the pitcher wanted you to. I hate double plays. That's why it took Jim Rice so long to get into the Hall-- all those double plays. I had one year I hit into about 12 double plays (note: it was actually 9, in 1989), and I probably didn't hit into one for a couple of years after that. And still, every time I come up with a man on base, Havelock says, "let's get two!"
Me: He says that when I'm up too.
Tony: You came up with the bases loaded last week and he said, "let's get three."
Me: Didn't happen... I wanted to ask about your career as a hitter. Some people turn in the same season over and over again, but your career numbers are all over the map, some years you hit for power, some years for average...
Tony: In 1996, I broke both wrists... and I had Lyme disease... that took awhile to come back from. And earlier, I gained about 20 pounds when my baby was born... and afterwards, it's hard to hit when you can't get a good night's sleep. In 1998 I started the Riverdale league, and I must have had a thousand at bats that year. Played for Duke, too, it was something like 8 games a week (Tony hit .547 with 73 RBI in 1998).
Me: And you're the alltime leader in doubles and triples...
Tony: I got a lot of those because I know how to slide.
Havelock: You still slide?
Tony: Yes. I learned to slide from my high school coach. Nothing fancy, no fallaways or head first slides. I just don't give them anything to tag me with. You can tag the tip of my toe, if you can find it...
Me: There's a story I've heard about Gil (Schmerler) teaching you to hit for power.
Tony: Yeah, he said something to me. We were playing at Riverside, with that wall, and Gil said, why don't you try hitting the bottom half of the ball? And when I did that, I had just enough power to get them over. Take Hank Aaron-- he hit 750 homers, and a lot of them just cleared the wall. All you've got to do is hit it enough to get it over. When I was young, I hit first or second mostly, and then later I somehow learned to hit for power. It helps to have a fence you can aim for, like at Riverside.